Chronometric Age Extension for Darwin Core #4734
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Do we want to generalize the radiometric date attribute to chronometric age? |
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Will we lose information (method)? or can we now put something in the attribute method for that? (I have no idea what I am talking about!) |
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I think we could map the attribute method to chronometricAgeProtocol, but we would be leaving out some of the fields in the extension such as uncertainly, conversion protocol, etc. We should find out if we have collections that would want to use those other fields. For NMMNH Paleo, we don't use that field a lot and I'm fine just linking the publication and the just sending the basic attribute information to GBIF. Other collections might feel differently. |
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Hey all, I raised this point because of the UAF ZooArch collection and
other non-Arctos collections I've helped to publish with the extension
recently. Like any extension, it is not required that you use it at all,
nor is it required that you use every field available - you use the fields
that help you to present your data to the world (and the portals) in the
cleanest possible way. It's just an option for current and future
collections, should those data be present. It is also possible to publish
much of these data via dynamicProperties and other fields, if preferred. No
rush on it in any case.
…On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 2:15 PM Nicole-Ridgwell-NMMNHS < ***@***.***> wrote:
I think we could map the attribute method to chronometricAgeProtocol, but
we would be leaving out some of the fields in the extension such as
uncertainly, conversion protocol, etc. We should find out if we have
collections that would want to use those other fields. For NMMNH Paleo, we
don't use that field a lot and I'm fine just linking the publication and
the just sending the basic attribute information to GBIF. Other collections
might feel differently.
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@dbloom just wan to make sure that these are the fields we are looking at for this - https://tools.gbif.org/dwca-validator/extension.do?id=http://rs.tdwg.org/chrono/terms/ChronometricAge |
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Thanks @tucotuco So - if we are NOT currently sending the Chrono extension, how is this information getting to GBIF? (from https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2990918315) I can see that we include it in our "IPT publishing table" as follows: getGeologyForDWC(locality.locality_id,'Erathem/Era') as earliestEraOrLowestErathem, what I don't get is that this information is apparently not part of the "occurrence" core (as downloaded in this template), yet it is somehow getting published? |
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Also, just putting this here for now - the extension terms with info
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All of those are properties from the GeologicalContext class in Simple Darwin Core. They are also in the Occurrence Core (https://tools.gbif.org/dwca-validator/extension.do?id=dwc:Occurrence#GeologicalContext) and mappable in the IPT under that Core type. The Chrono terms are much more specifically about dating and the processes used to arrive at those dates. This will allow one to publish both the date of collection (in eventDate) and the date of the context of placement (provenience). |
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@tucotuco thanks again. I am still confused about Darwin Core vs. Darin Core Archive and what exactly is accepted by IPT and aggregators. If GBIF is telling me - here is your template for IPT and it doesn't include https://tools.gbif.org/dwca-validator/extension.do?id=dwc:Occurrence#GeologicalContext how would I ever know I could include it? I guess what I am asking is where do I find the complete list of terms accepted in a Darwin Core occurrence archive? Why is that different from https://dwc.tdwg.org/terms/#occurrence ? and how would anyone know what else to include? |
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@Jegelewicz "Darwin Core" is the a data sharing standard, officially The Darwin Core Standard. A Darwin Core Archive (DwC-A) is a package that is created by the IPT (and some other software packages) for publication. I suggest you read this as a start for clarification: https://www.gbif.org/darwin-core. See below for more links to explain and demonstrate DwC. All of the DwC terms are here: https://dwc.tdwg.org/terms/ - this is also known as the Simple Darwin Core. All of the terms contained within accepted/registered extensions to the Darwin Core Standard are here (along with some works in progress): https://tools.gbif.org/dwca-validator/extensions.do The terms listed under https://dwc.tdwg.org/terms/#occurrence are one cluster of related terms within the larger "bag of terms" that is the DwC Standard. I suggest that you take a look at some of the webinars that have been presented on the topic. https://github.com/tdwg/dwc-qa/wiki/Webinars In particular, Chapters 0-5. Just get some popcorn and a soda and go to town. |
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Sigh - I am just going around in circles. |
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A Darwin Core Archive is an implementation of the Darwin Core Standard as Text (as covered by the Darwin Core Text Guide (https://dwc.tdwg.org/text/). That guide gives the specification, the Darwin Core Archive is how how GBIF has chosen to implement it and build tools to support it (such as the IPT). The Darwin Core Occurrence Core (https://tools.gbif.org/dwca-validator/extension.do?id=dwc:Occurrence) is a specification created by GBIF (now with support from the Darwin Core Maintenance Group) for how to share Occurrence data in a Darwin Core Archive. The Darwin Core Occurrence Class (https://tools.gbif.org/dwca-validator/extension.do?id=dwc:Occurrence) has properties deemed to be most directly related to an Occurrence rather than to any of the other Darwin Core classes. If there was a table for Occurrences, the term organized in that class are good candidates to be fields in that table. But a Darwin Core Occurrence in a Darwin Core Archive using the Darwin Core Occurrence Core is one big flat table containing all the terms from all the classes of Darwin Core that it reasonable can (that is, not MeasurementOrFacts, ResourceRelationships, or ChronometricAges, all of which we call extensions, because they wouldn't work in one flat table or spreadsheet with the rest of the Occurrence record). GBIF accepts Darwin Core Archives based on three distinct "Cores", of which Occurrence is one. In addition to the data in the core, GBIF also accepts data in extensions in Darwin Core Archives. The list of Cores and Extensions supported in production IPTs can be seen at https://tools.gbif.org/dwca-validator/extensions.do, along with extensions that are in development and which can be used in IPTs in Test mode.
The Occurrence Core include every field except the ones exclusively for extensions, including all the GeologicalContext terms. They are all available to map in the IP when that Occurrence Core is chosen. I'm curious why you think they are not included. I hope that helps. If not, keep the questions coming. |
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Because when I go to get a template - the only fields included are these: occurrenceID |
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Thank you very much @tucotuco It seems that the template offered up by GBIF (for those who want to use a "spreadsheet") is just incomplete, but misleading because not knowing any better, it seems like that is all you can include. That was very confusing to me! But now I think I get it. |
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Yes, that makes sense. That page is in serious need of a LOT of revisions,
not just for the confusion it caused you. I'm glad we've got it straight
now.
…On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 8:50 PM Teresa Mayfield-Meyer < ***@***.***> wrote:
Thank you very much @tucotuco <https://github.com/tucotuco>
It seems that the template offered up by GBIF (for those who want to use a
"spreadsheet") is just incomplete, but misleading because not knowing any
better, it seems like that is all you can include.
That was very confusing to me! But now I think I get it.
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@Jegelewicz @dustymc @lkvoong This collection caught my eye given all of the work that has gone into the new and improved ChronometricAge extension to DwC on the IPT. https://tools.gbif.org/dwca-validator/extension.do?id=http://rs.tdwg.org/chrono/terms/ChronometricAge
If UAF or any other ZooArch or paleo collection wishes to use the extension we should probably know that before data starts moving into Arctos for two reasons: (1) it may require some specific fields in Arctos, and (2) we will probably need to get @dustymc to generate a new SQL table that contains the relevant data so that we can map it to the extension when we prepare to publish.
Originally posted by @dbloom in https://github.com/ArctosDB/new-collections/issues/358#issuecomment-926090389
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