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I would not want to drop Encumbering_agent_ID - knowing who set up the On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:22 AM, dustymc [email protected] wrote:
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Agreed, as long as we view ENCUMBERING_AGENT_ID as "who set up the encumbrance" rather than "who can revoke the encumbrance" (my current viewpoint, for whatever probably-incorrect reason). Suggestions for a maximum EXPIRATION_DATE? Probably should be somehow vaguely related to the "normal" length of a research project (not that there's any such thing). My "5 years" suggestion now seems excessive (although I still like it better than "whenever one of the very few people who can now see the encumbered specimen realizes that the research project for which the encumbrance was created ended decades ago AND decides to do something about it..."). Somewhat related, why are we habitually masking entire records for "research purposes"? I believe many/most researchers would welcome complementary or unrelated usage - eg, if "AgentA" is working on genetics, why not simply "restrict usage" encumber, perhaps allowing AgentB to borrow other parts of the specimen for morphometric analyses (or whatever AgentA is comfortable with)? Is that a reasonable position, and if so how can we encourage it? |
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I would suggest that we add links to the documentation for how to set up I think 5 years is reasonable before an encumbrance expires. But perhaps a On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:41 AM, dustymc [email protected] wrote:
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Lacking timely objections, I intend to proceed with this as follows:
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I'm fine with those actions. But on a more policy level, what about On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 9:34 AM, dustymc [email protected] wrote:
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I don't think they (always, perhaps even ever) are, and that's the point of this. "SuperRareSubspecies" is declared sensitive, we go encumber everything, meanwhile it turns out that SuperRareSubspecies was never a valid classification, our specimens were misidentified, the habitat is now WWF corporate headquarters parking lot, the species has recovered, or WHATEVER. In the current model, there's no reason to ever review anything, the people who might care may not be able to see anything so won't remind you, etc., and the encumbrance lives on forever (while hiding critical data which could have been used to prevent that parking lot, had it only been available...).
5 years is always from "now." This will be implemented as a before-trigger looking at eg "expiration_date <= add_months(sysdate,60)." There's no absolute maximum, and no intent to restrict what can be done with Encumbrances. Maybe SuperRareSubspecies will hang on for millennia, thanks only to your encumbrance. (I would like to review the documentation with anyone who wants to participate and clarify what SHOULD be done with Encumbrances.) This is intended only to encourage periodic review and discourage encumbrances which are no longer necessary or useful. |
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for post-7.3.1 release:
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Can encumbrances be easily renewed even after they expire? Is it just a matter of changing the expiration date to 5 years from now, no finding of specimens again required? |
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Yup, just change the expiration date. |
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Is it possible to keep an encumbrance history of what specimens have been encumbered by whom over time, even if they are no longer encumbered? Or, is it possible to keep track of what specimens have been attached to an encumbrance, even once they have been removed or the encumbrance expires? |
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From A Johnson: I don't mind receiving 5 year reminders or something but removing |
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I have experienced the same thing and agree with Andy that the default action after 5 years should not be to remove the encumbrance, but to keep it in place pending operator action. The consequences of revealing data that we have committed to keep secure, e.g. for researchers or govt agencies, are far more serious than the consequences of keeping stuff hidden that should be made public. People don't always get critical emails - I know I miss them - and we shouldn't put secure data at risk through missing an email notification. |
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Maybe this should be something you see when you log in and have manage collection in addition to an email when it gets down to the 90 and 30 day notifications? |
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http://arctos.database.museum/Encumbrances.cfm is a mess - make it readable
Lots (most?) encumbrances expire "never" or "when research is completed" or some other vague thing that's never going to be recognized.
Lots of encumbrances are made by people who are no longer around (eg, former collection managers).
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