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Edit tender.procuringEntity description #571
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@JachymHercher Introducing a new required field would have to wait for version 2.0, as we aren't introducing backwards-incompatible changes before then. While there may always be a procuring entity, it may not always be known, e.g. if the dataset is being constructed by a civil society organization based on information that does not declare the procuring entity. We can consider adding 'process' to the field definition. I'll change the issue title to reflect that. |
2.0 change - sure. "Not being known" - this argument could probably be applied to any field, no? For example, just as well, the procuringEntity might be known (e.g. a central purchasing body), but the buyer is not. However, buyer is a required field, right? Why treat these differently? I'd argue both are basic information about the process. |
I don't believe |
Ah, ok, then I'm wrong, nevermind :). |
Another issue with the procuring entity definition is that it says:
But the buyer's definition only says:
So, the procuring entity definition suggest that the buyer can be the one who pays or the one who uses, but the buyer definition only says that the buyer is the one who pays, what is correct, so I think that we need to update the procuring entity definition to be consistent with the buyer one. |
Related: #825 |
All in all, for v1.2, this will be the new definition of procuringEntity:
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The definition must also be edited in the party role codelist. |
@ColinMaudry Like #825, can you also have a look at the glossaries, etc. mentioned in #827? I would be more confident in the re-definition if we had a comparison table with other definitions. |
OK, I hold it so that we can improve it further with the glossary crosswalk. |
Don't we want "The entity managing the contracting process", not "The entity managing the procurement process"? I think my initial comment was stuck in the EU :-). More importantly, in a simple procurement procedure, should publishers be declaring an organisation as a 'buyer' and also as a 'procuringEntity', or do we want to have a 'procuringEntity' only if it is different from the buyer? This very much depends on the overall approach in #825 and should be done the same way also in #548 (comment). |
Good catch – we should broaden the semantics to "contracting process" (the term For simple procedures, I would recommend populating |
Should the latter be reflected in a normative "should" or a non-normative text somewhere? |
Yes, we can add a "should" statement to |
Not sure it's ideal, but here are the terms mapped to
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All the definitions in other glossaries tend to boil down to: A public entity that engages in procurement. |
I've also used the OCDS definition of
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Where does "chosen suppliers" come from? |
Both the current OCDS definition and the GPA definition describe limited tendering as a method whereby the buyer chooses (not "select") certain suppliers. I simply (naively?) translated "of choice" into a past participle. |
Ah, I got confused; in #571 (comment) you referred to 'selective', not 'limited', but you meant using the definition of 'selective' as inspiration. On second thought, it might not be clear who is doing the choosing, whereas people familiar with procurement processes understand that "qualified suppliers" is based on pre-qualification/selection criteria. So, perhaps, after all, we should follow the GPA text more closely:
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I'm not sure it's been clearly stated in this discussion, but the reasons for preferring only setting the
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Closed by #1163 |
In the worked example in https://standard.open-contracting.org/latest/en/guidance/map/organizational_units/#using-the-organization-building-block, the organization in the example has |
Re-closing as the PR is a separate issue (related to this one). |
Since the definition of procuringEntity is "The entity managing the procurement", I would expect that every procurement process should have at least one such entity. I think there is currently no such requirement for an OCDS contracting process. Shouldn't there be?
I'm also wondering whether saying "procurement process" instead of "procurement" in the description ("The entity managing the procurement process") wouldn't be a more consistent use of terminology?
Editor's summary: Change the definition of procuringEntity to "The entity managing the procurement process"
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