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Supplier - definition ("awarded or contracted") #1149
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From the glossary:
So, only eForms matches OCDS' semantics: the others use "suppliers" in the sense of "suppliers in the market". I think the other sources have a word for the contracted supplier, but not for the (merely) awarded supplier. How about this for a definition:
I made those slight changes, to avoid confusion with respect to direct awards, where a buyer might wish to conclude a contract with a supplier before the contracting process even exists. |
eForms rather avoids the use of "supplier" altogether - the definition in the act re-uses the Directives' term "successful tenderer". (By the way: the previous procurement directive 2004/18/EC says the following: "The terms ‘contractor’, ‘supplier’ and ‘service provider’ mean any natural or legal person or public entity or group of such persons and/or bodies which offers on the market, respectively, the execution of works and/or a work, products or services. The term ‘economic operator’ shall cover equally the concepts of contractor, supplier and service provider. It is used merely in the interest of simplification.")
wishes --> intends is probably better, we should use it also in #895. Concerning the addition "as a result of a contracting process", I'm not sure. If we need it here, then we should also have it in the definition of "award", e.g. "Decision, resulting from the contracting process, by the buyer or procuring entity on the supplier with whom it However, this adds some uncertainty (what does "resulting", "result" mean? Isn't the only result of a contracting process a contract? Or is it an award? What does "official" mean, etc.) What about: "An entity with which a buyer or a procuring entity intends to conclude a contract. Suppliers are known only after an award has taken place." |
I like how we move towards using key concepts via nouns instead of verbs. This is helpful to improve consistency across definitions. |
We're avoiding terms like "winner" and "successful tenderer" to be able to use Award objects to represent unsuccessful awards (e.g. due to a complaint), correct?
In the end, I prefer the original suggestion (with "intends"). (3) just raises more questions. (What does it mean for an award to take place? Mustn't the supplier be "known" in order for the buyer to intend to conclude a contract with it?) |
A supplier is a "tenderer" whose proposal has been accepted by the buyer. I'd consequently go for 3) as long as we refine the definition of "award". My understanding is that an OCDS Award object is created when the buyer has finished studying some sort of proposal (bid, contest application, selection phase, etc.) and publishes the result. Award: here is what the buyer has decided based on what the "tenderers" (in a broad sense) provided. |
The difficulty with "after an award has taken place" is that we use the word award in its narrow definition (awarding a contract). But the way the Award object is used in OCDS is broader. We consequently need to:
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Or we rename Award and Supplier to reflect their broad semantics, e.g. Decision and Contractor. |
For the definition of award, see #895. For context, the proposed definition is:
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If we replace "after an award has taken place" with "after the decision has taken place" then this clause is just repeating the first clause, unless we draw a fine line between an intention and a decision:
So, my preference is for (1). Update: Actually we can change (1) a bit to use "decided" instead of "intends", to match the use of "decision" in the award definition:
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We can do that, but the relationship between the Award and Supplier is not explicit, as the verb "decide" is not necessarily bound to Award. I see the way a tenderer becomes a supplier in an OCDS process is documented in the guidance for Award and Supplier. |
Can you quote the sentences from the linked page that you think should inform the definition of supplier? |
From the Award guidance:
From the contract guidance:
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@JachymHercher I remember you were going to review that particular guidance in light of this issue and other semantic issues. Does the guidance align with the proposals, or do we need to edit the guidance? |
Both the Award and Contract guidance are being replaced by the new definitions (award PR and contract PR, respectively), so no new changes needed on the basis of this issue. |
In #903 (comment), I questioned whether the definition of 'Supplier' ("An entity awarded or contracted to provide goods, works or services.") requires both "awarded" and "contracted".
To clarify, the point of the first paragrah was that if we mention "awarded", then non-intuitive things can sometimes happen. The point of the second paragraph was that maybe having "awarded" is unavoidable, because in OCDS, suppliers are referenced in
Award
, notContract
. However, in that case, let's still avoid having two verbs at the same level ("awarded or contracted") and instead have only one verb ("awarded"). Since "awarded" as the only verb might be unclear (e.g. if the definition was "An awarded entity" or "An entity listed in an award"), we should also mention a contract (but not as a verb of its own, but as an object of the main "awarded" verb) and for readability purposes also the subject that awards the contract. Thus the proposed: "An entity to which the buyer or procuring entity has decided to award a contract".However, thinking about it again and looking at the definition of "Award" in #895 (comment) (including #895 (comment)), I would actually propose to avoid both verbs - "awarding" and "contracting". Instead, let's use a definition reusing the terms from the definition of an award: "An entity with which a buyer or a procuring entity wishes to conclude a contract."
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