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Add more synonyms to various field descriptions #903
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BackgroundMore broadly, OCDS uses In the OCDS for PPPs profile, to address this, In the EU, to address this, the more generic terms 'contracting authority' or 'contracting entity' (the distinction is irrelevant from OCDS' perspective) are used instead of 'buyer'. At the UI level, the EU changes its term on forms from 'contractor' to 'concessionaire' ('supplier' in OCDS), but the TED data uses CONTRACTOR for both. ProposalRather than multiplying the fields used to identify the two parties, I think it's better to (1) accept we chose less-than-ideal terms and then (2) change the titles/definitions to broaden their scope though ideally in limited ways, e.g. "If this contracting process is to award a concession, then the We can of course deprecate the old term and add a new term. From a data use perspective, you would typically narrow the processes to those you care about first (concessions, asset sales, procurements, etc.), then look at the buyers and suppliers (whose semantics are then narrowly scoped). A broader analysis might still want to know e.g. "which government agencies are doing some sort of business with external parties" in which case it's much easier to look for the answer in a pair of fields instead of a growing number of fields, and in which case the broader semantics are acceptable (even desirable). |
Looking at eForms annex spreadsheet, I'm not sure contract -> prize. BG-44 mentions ranks, and BT-41 says the winners of a contest aren't necessarily awarded all contracts, implying prizes and contracts are not bound. |
In a design contest, my understanding was that participants were at most awarded a prize – but that, following the contest, they might be awarded a contract. Does it work differently? |
I agree that some participants are awarded a prize. I don't think all participants to a contest are awarded a prize. But what is a prize? I don't think it's a contract, in the directive it's always used alongside 'payment'. It may be a monetary or in-kind reward, but it does not seem to bind the winner to the provision of a service/goods. Which makes it quite different from a contract. Is that your opinion too? |
Not all bidders are awarded a contract either :) A prize is certainly different from a contract. The question here is whether I prefer the former, because having lots of different fields/classes to represent the result of a procedure seems like it makes a lot of use cases harder, instead of finding another way to differentiate the different types of results. |
Taking a step back, do design contests even need to use the |
It's the Open Contracting Data Standard, design contest prizes are an edge case, but I believe we'll mostly deal with contracts. If not, we may be stretching the scope of OCDS a bit too far :) Narrow definition of contract is good.
There is this case where the prize is automatically followed by a procedure. Do we represent this procedure as a distinct but related procedure ( |
I agree that it would be a case for |
To add an extra twist: public administrations being public administrations, I have always assumed (never really verified) that awarding any prize money would require a signed contract between the buyer and the winner. In the EU, this contract would not be a "public contract" in the sense of public procurement law, but it would still be "contract" in the broad legal sense and being between a public body and a company, I'd think it should fall within the scope of OCDS. It would use |
@JachymHercher Agree, that makes sense to me. |
Going back to #903 (comment), two comments:
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Yes, we are reversing those changes (originally made in 2017: open-contracting-extensions/public-private-partnerships@25c06b4), in this new issue: open-contracting-extensions/public-private-partnerships#236 I agree that the last four do not clarify much, so we don't need to add those synonyms to the schema. That said, we could use "project" and "application" if we add some design contest-specific or concession-specific guidance.
Hmm, could you have a look at #883, @JachymHercher? Right now, we only carve out a small exception for "natural person" in the case of a sole trader.
Could you open a new issue about the description of supplier? I'm also not clear what you mean by "stems out" in your last sentence. |
Summary: I would suggest changing the last sentence of the Reviewing this ticket, I think it is best to go back to @jpmckinney's original proposal (first two comments), which was to add synonyms in the descriptions of certain terms to cover OCDS use-cases outside the most classical one - public procurement (e.g. by adding phrases such as "If this contracting process is to award a concession, then field X is Y."). Here is a list of fields mentioned in this issue as candidates for changes and their descriptions.
The use cases considered in this issue (so far) beyond public procurement are design contests, concessions, PPPs and government sales assets. In my opinion:
Besides the above, the rest of the discussion in this issue resulted in separate issues, so we don't need to cover it here:
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I'm happy to focus on that last change and then close the issue. Original proposal:
"Granting" can be understood as a specific type of process/contract (e.g. grants to charities), so I'd prefer another word or phrasing. Could this work?
In other words, is it critical to specify follow-up contracts and prizes as specific rewards from design contests? Update: I guess we might want to make clear that this is not an exhaustive list. We can add, "among other contexts" or similar at the end. |
I agree with your comments, but on second thought, I would modify my original proposal. I think the sentence is more about the use of OCDS rather than uses of contracts as such. Consequently, wouldn't it fit better as the first or last sentence of the schema description (latest version in 588097f#diff-8ede12936d49b6f0107d60beaef0abe845f548e91d78acc0c430cf6c1516d183)? For example like: "Open Contracting Releases are used for contracts in public procurement (incl. design contests), concessions, public-private partnerships, government asset sales and other contexts." If we went this way, I would leave the clarifying sentence on "prizes or other rewards (e.g. a follow-up contract)" in the definition of contract (just replace "granting"), as it clarifies the use of contracts. |
Yes, that sounds like a better proposal! |
Done in 76413ea.
Done in e93fe10. Consequently, once #1216 and #1208 are merged, this issue can also be closed. |
Agreed. Okay to close after #1216. |
Background
In at least the EU, design contests use a different set of terms:
For other procedures:
Proposal
The alternative terms can be added in field descriptions to make it clear that the fields are appropriate for design contests as well as other procedures.
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